Mufti Afzal Hoosen Elias’ Fatwas on Maulana Tariq Jameelstion


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    #8399 – 28/10/2012

    BY ADMIN ON NOVEMBER 7, 2012

    Question
    Assalamualaikum,Mufti saheb..I would like to know Islamic status & truth of the views of an Alim who calls himself Sunni,Hanafi & Deobandi.These are the views from his talks:1)We are raw Muslims.To get out of this whirlpool,we will not find way from the age of Sahaba.We will have to go back to Bani Israil.2)It was not proper for the government to fall into the hands of a senior Sahabi,so Hazrat Muaviah(ra) was made Khalifa.Certainly Hazrat Ali(ra) was on truth & Muaviah(ra) was at mistake.In this issue all Ahlus Sunnah become Shia.3)If the imputer of Hazrat Ayesha(ra) can be forgiven,then why not Shia of today?4)There should not be any difference in the ummah;this prayer was not accepted.Because of this reason Prophet(saw) did not appoint.Had he appointed,the difference would not have arisen that there would be Abu Bakr(ra) after him.Shia would have said,’He gave Khilafat to us’.We say,’He has given it to Abu Bakr(ra).There is no clarification in the indication.Prophet(saw) did not appoint anyone.He has preserved it on the will of Allah.Almighty Allah said,’There will be difference’.5)There was second thing also.Had Prophet(saw) appointed,and had there been failure in that and it had to fail,since now first time this is happening in history of the world that a non-innocent(ghair masoom) is taking the place of an innocent(masoom).Till today it did not happen that a non-innocent was taking the place of an innocent.First time this is happening in human history that a non-innocent will sit in the place of the innocent,so non-innocent is there only that he has to make mistake.The Prophet of Allah selects and places him at his place,then if he fails and falls short in that,then it will be attributed to the Prophet of Allah.6)The second thing was that,had he appointed(Khalifa) and had anyone refused it,he would have perished.7)And there was another thing also that,had Prophet(saw) appointed,and had there been failure in that and it had to happen.8)Neither we consider them(Sahaba) masoom nor we consider them mahfooz.9)I tell you this also often,this is extremism to transgress in refutation of Shia.10)Contemplating on that,this thing emerged that appointment by the Prophet of Almighty Allah,then had there been any failure in that,then no one would have objected.The dereliction would have been ascribed to the Prophet of Allah.Prophets are to be kept clean.No dust should affect them,neither in their life nor on their death nor after their death.11)This is fanaticism that we make Sahaba(ra) masoom against Shia.I never had this mind that they are masoom.Masoom and mahfooz is the same thing.12)The preference for Khilafat is not piety(taqwa).The preference for Khilafat is policy(tadbeer),as to how he is in policy.13)Muaviah(ra) was not even equal to the nail of Abdullah ibn Umar with respect to grade.14)Their(Sahaba’s) acquittal(bara’at) is a part of our faith;it is right.They were not masoom,were not Prophets,were not mahfooz.This Asmat and Tahaffuz is the same thing.Is there any difference between them?If Allah forgave them,then defence of Sahaba like this is not proper that you start interpreting(taweel) their mistakes.15)Umar(ra) got 99% close to Asmat but he could not score 100 marks.The century scorer will be masoom,so we can give him 99.5 marks;we will leave the half so that there should be difference between a Prophet and non Prophet,so that no dust should come over the personality of Prophets;it should be clean.16)I told the student:Addeenun naseehah.Its common meaning is well wishing.You wish well for a disbeliever,wrong doer.You will lead him to paradise or hell?He said,to paradise.I said,’Considering a Shia kaafir is a way to lead him to paradise or hell?Silent!I said,’Christians are big disbelievers or Shia?He said,’Christians’.I said,’Hate Christians’.These abuse Sahaba(ra);those ascribe son to Allah.Ascribing a son to Allah is big crime or calling Abu Bakr and Umar(ra) kaafir is bigger crime?17)The creed of Barelvis keeps them within Islam.I heard from Moulana Abdullah saheb about Imam Ahmad Raza that disbelief is not found in his writings.He reached the extent of Bid’at just in passion of love.18)I do not know if anybody till today has called its(Shia’s) slaughter impermissible.Slaughter of a Jew and Christian is permissible and Shia’s is impermissible?How strange this is?I have heard this for the first time.19)Shia do not believe in the addition in Kalimah.Aliyyun Waliullah is also addition of their common people.Whatever you all have read,heard is all trivial.

    Answer
    1) This is contrary to what Rasulullaah (S.A.W) himself said, this view of the so called Deobandi Alim is totally wrong. 2) Hadhrat Muawiya (A.S) cannot be criticized in anyway – See on site ‘Hahrat Muawiya at a glance’ This Alim is totally confused. Perhaps not mentally well. 3) The Shia of today has beliefs of Kufr. His analogy us mud-pisitioned. 4) Now this person is even trying to attach Nabi (S.A.W). There was no difference in the appointment of Hadhrat Abu Bakr (R.A.) – Hear tapes on out site. 5) The person is confusing the Role of Nabi and non-Nabi. He is a babbling BunKum. 6) Why create un-necessary un-called luxurious possibilities. 7) as (6) 8) Sahabah (R.A.) are Mahfooz is the view of the Ahlus Sunnat wal Jamaat. 9) He could be a hidden Shia – expose him by name so the general public are aware. 10) as (6) 11) Masoom and Mahfooz are NOT the same. This person does not know simple basics. !2) It is Taqdeer with Ilm coupled with piety. Now that it is has happened. Accept it for it cannot be changed. 13) Where is the proof of this statement? 14) as (11) 15) as (8) 16) Both are crimes. A crime is a crime. 17) This is a quick, rash, hasty statement. 18) This person should read ‘Encyclopedia of Qurbaani Laws’, for details on Shia slaughter being Haraam. 19) See on site – ‘Historical record’ for further details on Shias and their own Kalimah. This person is lost and trying his utmost to loose others. Expose him totally so that the Imaan and Islaam of others are protected.
    And Allah Knows Best

    Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
    Category: Aqaaid (Beliefs and Practices)

    Question #8402 – 28/10/2012
    BY ADMIN ON NOVEMBER 7, 2012

    Question
    Assalamualaikum,Mufti Saheb.I would like to know the truth & Islamic status of the views of an Alim who calls himself Sunni,Hanafi & Deobandi.These are his views quoted from his talks:1)There was no introduction of the ulama of Deoband in Arab.2)Imam saheb(Abu Hanifa) has met two Sahaba(ra).3)Fathima(ra) became displeased.It is natural.Not that she had greed for things.She would think that Abu Bakr(ra) did not give them heritage,whereas it was their right.So she got displeased because of the right,and the saying of Hazrat Ali(ra):’You people did not share with us’.This is also right that then the council which took place about Khilafat,Ali(ra) was not present in that.He was present there in giving bath that exactly at that time this issue arose,and his stand was that at least he had some right because of the relationship.4)Now Saa’d bin Ubadah did not accept(Abu Bakr(ra)as Khalifa),he did not accept till end.Khalid bin Saeed bin Aas did not accept,Ali did not accept.He took Bai’ah after the demise of Hazrat Fathima(ra).Khalid bin Saeed also had spent 4 or 5 months,then he took Bai’ah.5)A Khariji was brought before Abdul Malik bin Marwan.He scolded him,’Why they always fight?He asked,’Why the Prophet of Allah did not appoint Khalifa?Abdul Malik kept quiet.The Khariji said,’He did not do it because difference had to remain in ummah,so he left it to the will of Allah’.I liked this answer very much.6)Hazrat Ali(ra) said:’We have complaint that we had to be included.And the matter was right that they were the closest relatives and they also were right that they had not gone there with any plan.Such an uproar had created there that if it had not been dealt with immediately,do not know what would have happened.On the first day itself ummah would have divided into 2 groups.So respect everybody.7)Read the discourses of Hazrat Thanvi(rah);there is no way for a common man to benefit from it.The language is so complicated and scholarly.It seemed that there used to be mostly ulama before Hazrat Thanvi(rah),and common people also were such that whose scholarly desire,consciousness was awake.So the writings of our elders were very complicated.There was scholarly appearance,scholarly hue in that.Moududi saheb is the first person who presented Deen in easily comprehensible way,and people understood that also.8)The maslak of Jumhoor is that Prophets are alive in their graves with respect to body and soul…but the matter which emerged,which was started by Moulana Husain Ali…on the arrival of Qari Tayyib saheb,from the Mamatis Moulana Ghulamullah Khan had retracted.9)This is an addition of Moulvi Shahid saheb.Moulana Zakariyya did not write any booklet.There was an Alim who had studied at Saharanpur.He joined with Moududi saheb.Moulana Zakariyya saheb wrote him a letter.The letter was of personal sort.Grandson after him is a publisher,businessman.He published it from business point of view and gave it a very improper name ‘Fitna-e-Moududiat’.

    Answer
    1) This has been done on a limited scale. 2) Move 3) In the beginning there was some doubt concerning the inheritance but upon clarification of Hadhrat Abu Bakr (R.A.) all doubts were removed. Hadhrat Ali (R.A.) to erase any doubt subsequently publicly took allegiance to Hadhrat Abu Bakr (R.A.). This person does not not know his own History. 4) Lack of proper history knowledge leads to such drivel 5) The non-appointment by Nabi (S.A.W) has its wisdoms but for differences. 6) This is voicing Shiasm. 7) So simplify Moulana Thanvis works. Maududis Sahib is deviate. See site for details – publications – Maududism is Shia pocket edition. 8) What is being said, I do not understand? 9) The content matter of the letter was/is Valid and still stands.
    And Allah Knows Best

    Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
    Category: Deviated

    Question #8403 – 28/10/2012
    BY ADMIN ON NOVEMBER 7, 2012

    Question
    Assalamualaikum,Mufti saheb.I would like to know the truth & Islamic status of the views of an Alim who calls himself Sunni,Hanafi & Deobandi.I have already sent two questions regarding Aqaid and Tarikh.I expect answer of each view separately.These are his views quoted from his talks:1)Work is done on negative aspect in madrasas.2)All(Islamic) movements of the past hundred years failed.3)Debates are waste.4)Madrasas have been ruined because of clash between Qadri,Naqshbandi sects.5)The environment of madrasas is based on fanaticism.6)Negative mode of education prevails in madrasas.7)The share for the Qur’an and Hadith is less in our pattern of teaching.8)Let all the sects remain in Islam.9)Moulana Sarfaraz Khan saheb is crown of our head,but he has written all his life on negative aspect.Extremism takes birth in pen by keeping on writing on negative aspect.In his books is refutation of Barelviat,refutation of Rafziat,refutation of Ghair Muqallidiat;refutation,refutation,refutation.He has spent all his life in refutation.So one who keeps on refuting,extremism creeps in his view.10)Moulana(Ameen) Safdar saheb(rah) who would refute Ahle Hadith from us;there was very much harshness in his style,and there was too much intensity.I had sit with him for 4 hours.I had gone to him to benefit.On that,whatever he said,he kept saying.I had been listening.

    Answer
    1) I studied in Deoband, very little or next to nothing was mentioned about deviates. 2) We require details of this sweeping statement. 3) What about the debates between Hadhrat Ebrahim and Nimrooz and Hadhrat Moosa and Firoun and Nabi (S.A.W) and the Kufaar and Mushriks. This person is silly. 4) Kindly supply proofs. 5) Supply proofs 6) as (5) 7) Nonsense – which Darul Uloom has this person studied in? 8) Define ‘sects’. 9) His great services cannot be forgotten. His Tafseer is famous. His ‘refutations’ have salvaged millions. What exactly has the objector done for the service of Deen in any field? 10) Another Pillar of Islaam. Again, show us what you the objector has achieved? This person is highly confused between Shiasism and Maududism and is making a wrong claim of being from the Ahlus Sunnat wal Jamaat. Stay far from him.
    And Allah Knows Best

    Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
    Category: Deviated

    Question #8408 – 29/10/2012
    BY ADMIN ON NOVEMBER 8, 2012

    Question
    Assalamualaikum,Mufti saheb.I would like to know the truth and Islamic status of the views of an Alim who calls himself Sunni,Hanafi and Deobandi.I expect separate answer for each view.These are his views quoted from his talks:1)The ulama who object to Ahle Hadith,they are wasting their time.Remember,these four modes have to function.2)All your research is up to ‘Tajalliyat-e-Safdar(by Moulana Ameen Safdar rah).3)Ahle Hadith are three or four crores.Ahle Hadith is not a sect.4)Calling a Ghair Muqallid deviant is fanaticism.5)Moududiat is not a sect.Moududi saheb is from true people.6)In refutation of Shia we call Sahaba mahfooz.

    Answer
    1) Ahle Hadith do not form part of the four Mazhabs. 2) Whose research? 3) Ahle Hadith themselves say that they are a sect. 4) Do you think Ulema-e-Haqq are fools? 5) Then what is Jamaat Islaami. For proof that Maududi is a deviate see on our site exposing him – under publications. 6) Sahaba (A.S.) are Mahfooz is the belief of the Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat, so it will be against anyone who goes against that particular belief. This person cannot be a Deobandi Sunni Hanafi.
    And Allah Knows Best

    Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
    Category: Deviated

    Question #8409 – 29/10/2012
    BY ADMIN ON NOVEMBER 8, 2012

    Question
    Assalamualaikum,Mufti saheb.I would like to know the truth and Islamic status of the views of an Alim who calls himself Sunni,Hanafi and Deobandi.I expect separate answer for each view.These are his views quoted from his talks:1)The Imams of Haramain also do Masah on socks.2)Had Imam-e-Azam(rah) been alive,he would have retracted on the Masail of Haj.2)There is difference of everybody in the principles of Fiqh,because this is purely a thing of Ijtihad.Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamat are one thing.Further,everyone has his own preferences.There are different forms of practices.Ibn Taimiyyah is the first person who called triple Talaq one.Ibn Qayyim endorsed it.Now since both of them are amongst the predecessors of Ghair Muqallideen,so somewhere they accept one’s and somewhere other’s.Our state is also same that somewhere we accept Imam Abu Yusuf’s,somewhere Abu Hanifa(rah)’s.3)If they consider triple Talaq single and after that they return,it is right according to them.It is not right according to us.You(Ahnaf) also ruin house deeming the forced one(Talaq Mukarrah) permissible,whereas you do not have any proof of forced Talaq.Do not force your Fatwas on them nor act on their Fatwas.There will be weak and sound narrations in every Mazhab.

    Answer
    1) On what type of socks? They are not ‘Hujjat’ (proofs) in Shariat 2) Which Masaail? Why? – Does he think Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A.) is a non-competent person. Compare likes to likes not otherwise. Separate the wood from the trees is not difficult but not for this person. 3) See on site on 3 Talaaq issue. 3 Talaaqs is equal to one is not valid.
    And Allah Knows Best

    Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
    Category: Aqaaid (Beliefs and Practices)

    Question #10165 – 11/10/2013
    BY ADMIN ON OCTOBER 15, 2013

    Question
    Assalaamu ‘Alaykum What is the view of the ‘Ulama of the Din regarding the recent visit by Mawlana Tariq Jamil (HA) of Pakistan to the Shi’ite center in Gilgit, Balitistan where he met with the Shi’ite leadership at the centre, addressed them and later posed for photographs with them which was published in newspapers and websites. Is there any precedence in this life of the Salaf al-Salihin and the respected and honourable ‘Ulama of Deoband to associate, visit, address Shi’ites in their religious places of worship? Your view on this would be highly appreciated. Jazak Allah khayr Was-salaam

    Answer
    There is absolutely no precedence for such a ludicrous act. May Allaah guide us all.
    And Allah Knows Best

    Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
    Category: Deviated

    Question #10208 – 21/10/2013
    BY ADMIN ON NOVEMBER 5, 2013

    Question
    Assalamu alaykum,Mufti sahib. Recently while browsing the internet I came across this link http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea…Jameel-Exposed concerning the deviated aqaid and views of Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib.In the link in post #1,2,4,8,9,12,13,25,31,40,43,55,57,61 & 69 some of his views have been quoted from the book ‘Kalimatul Haadi Ila Sawaais Sabeel Fi Jawaabi Mallabisal Haqqa Bil Abateel’ written by Mufti Muhammad Isa Khan Gormani(db) the student of Allama Sarfaraz Khan Safdar(rah).This morning I came across your website and went through the contents.In the deviated section I saw the same views of Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib in the question No. 8399,8402,8403,8408 & 8409 asked by someone long back without naming him.The questioner has not been so lucid in translating some Urdu words in the questions,but the translation is correct.I even saw Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib on internet visiting a Shia center in Gilgit and addressing the kaafir Shia as brothers.Mufti sahib,is the refutation right given the popularity of Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib in Da’wat and Tabligh,his huge number of likers? Won’t this refutation affect the efforts of Tabligh Jama’at?

    Answer
    The Tabligh Jamaat should distance themselves from the wrong views of Moulana Tariq Jameel. The work is not based on individual projection or promotion thus it will not suffer.
    And Allah Knows Best

    Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
    Category: Society and Domestic

 

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One comment on “Mufti Afzal Hoosen Elias’ Fatwas on Maulana Tariq Jameelstion

  1. Taariq Jameel’s fanboys have now come up with few things to save Taariq Jameel:

    • Taariq Jameel retracted from his view that one doesn’t become kafir by doing takfir of Sahaba.

    This he retracted in 2009 when Shaykh Allama Ali Sher Haideri(RA) proved to him that Shia are kafir.What about the other blasphemous views about Sahabah and other deviant views of him mentioned in the Fatwas of Mufti Afzal Hoosen Elias?

    • The reality of Shaykh Mufti Zar Wali(HA) giving clean chit to Taariq Jameel is already established.

    • This is brazenly an utter lie to say that dragging Jamia Ahsanul Uloom,Karachi in this Taariq Jameel controversy is ‘blatantly false and disingenuous’.Shaykh Mufti Zar Wali(HA)’s Madrasa Jamia Ahsanul Uloom’s website www dot ahsanululoom dot com still has Taariq Jameel’s refutation ‘’CHAND GHALAT TAWEELAT WA TAJAWAZAT AUR UNKA ILMI WA SHARI’I MAHASBA’’ (Kalimatul Haadi) in miscellaneous books category of the books section.This book was written as early as in April 2009.Taariq Jameel visited Jamia Ahsanul Uloom and delivered speech there on 27 February 2012.Mufti Zar Wali(HA) praised him in his lecture on 2 March 2012.

    That praising went in drain when Mufti Zar Wali(HA) started criticizing Taariq Jameel in his later lectures.

    • Nothing could be made out of Taariq Jameel’s lecture at Shia centre in Gilgit since the uploaded lecture is incomplete and only of 8 minutes.

    We have seen Taariq Jameel in pics individually offering his Salah in that Shia temple.

    • Dropping the names of the Akabir from whom Taariq Jameel received Khilafahs is of no help in the matters of haqq and baatil.

    What would people say about Mufti Muneer Ahmed Akhoon who once enjoyed Khilafah from Shaykh Maulana Hakeem Akhtar(RA) but he was stripped of the Khilafah for his vile and Haraam antics?

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